r/CrazyFuckingVideos Sep 22 '22 Silver 1 Wholesome 3

VPD (Vancouver Police Deartment) hits pedestrian on E Hastings, HARD. Area is 30kmph zone, and the center of homelessness and addiction. Insane/Crazy NSFW

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u/80HDDD47 Sep 22 '22

I’m 100% sure it was an accident considering the guy is in the middle of the road hunched down, guarantee the cop was distracted, but it definitely wasn’t on purpose, most of you guys are jumping to conclusions too fast. No I’m not defending the police officer, I’m just stating the obvious.

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u/Hardcorish Sep 22 '22

I'm not here to defend the cop, because his driving was reckless, but I do think it was an accident. You can hear the brakes screech moments before impact. If this was intentional, you'd think he would speed up or stay the same speed rather than slow down if his intentions were to seriously maim or kill.

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u/ICBPeng1 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Just presenting my observations:

The cop does immediately brake, and it looks like does right before the hit.

The person in the road is just standing there hunched over, in all black

It looks like the cops headlights are off

Come to your own conclusions, that it was cut off right here reeks of bias, 10 more seconds would have shown us: does the cop stop, roll over them, try to arrest them, call an ambulance and try to help, what happens next really lets us know more, and that it was cut screams bias to me

Edit: I say that cops headlights look off because I honestly can’t tell if they were illuminating the street, or the man at all, so at the very least, they seem way too weak.

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u/bs000 Sep 22 '22

It looks like the cops headlights are off

they look on to me

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u/going_for_a_wank Sep 22 '22

Could just be the daytime running lights. Hard to tell from a video.

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u/AdmiralSkippy Sep 23 '22

Do you think your high beams are supposed to be used at night at all times?

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u/going_for_a_wank Sep 23 '22

Daytime running lights are not the same as headlights lol. They are not even as bright as low beams. So many Americans get confused why everybody in Canada drives around with their "headlights" on during the day.

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u/Da1UHideFrom Sep 23 '22

So many Americans get confused why everybody in Canada drives around with their "headlights" on during the day.

Daytime running lights and laws requiring lights on during the day are common in the US.

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u/PickFit Sep 23 '22

DAE America dumb?

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u/ICBPeng1 Sep 22 '22

They kind of look on, but the car behind has much brighter headlights, and the cops don’t seem to be illuminating the man or the road, leading me to believe that it only looks like they’re on because they’re reflecting the streetlights

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u/Duffiez Sep 22 '22

Definitely not haha, those are very clearly on throughout the video and distance traveled.

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u/Dallasl298 Sep 22 '22

Parking lights, people

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u/OperationGoldielocks Sep 23 '22

Those aren’t just parking lights

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u/bs000 Sep 22 '22

lolwat

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u/bag_of_oatmeal Sep 22 '22

Look again dingus.

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u/BLUEMAX- Sep 22 '22

rofl tell me you are a moron without telling me you are a moron

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u/teraflux Sep 22 '22

It looks like the cops headlights are off

Are you high? In no world does this video make it seem like the cop's headlights are off.

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u/BLUEMAX- Sep 22 '22

COPS HEADLIGHTS ARE OFF - time for glasses bro

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u/FROCKHARD Sep 23 '22

Yeah if you “honestly cant tell” if the cops lights are on or not, best to pocket that part of opinion and get those eyes check. Cop was definitely distracted. Cop most definitely and obviously has lights on, but honestly that part doesnt matter here. . Cop wasn’t expecting some schmuck in the middle of the road at night not moving it is easy to interpret the cop as never expecting some imbecile having a drug-moment or a suicidal tendency being in the middle of the street at night and thus last moment notice and brake slam.

Im going to actually defend the cop and say it was accidental. The cops actions-reckless or not- were an accident 10000000%. He should have been paying attention to the road….. but also who the fuck just stands in the middle of the road, at night, wearing all dark clothing?

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u/Richmahogonysmell Sep 22 '22

I am not sure why any of that would matter. no lights, going over the speed limit, obviously not looking at the road, any of us normal citizens would be in prison for this.

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u/ejvela9425 Sep 22 '22

Even regular citizens don’t go to jail if they accidentally hit someone, unless they are intoxicated, and or flee the scene. If they pull over and call for help they are covered.

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u/PROFESSIONALBLOGGERS Sep 22 '22

Or broke some traffic laws along the way but in a reckless manner. Ex: driving 70mph in a 40 zone. Or running 3 consecutive redlights before hitting someone.

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u/IntelligentNoise8538 Sep 23 '22

My dumbass read “ex” as ex girlfriend and not example lmao, I thought you had a crazy ass ex for a second

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u/Amazing_Rutabaga4049 Sep 22 '22

That isnt jail for anyone who stops to render assistance and is sober! The pedestrian is at fault like the driver both should be charged with minor traffic offenses unless proven the driver was excessively speeding for a reckless charge.

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u/Richmahogonysmell Sep 22 '22

I mean the video clearly shows him speeding but maybe I’m just coming from a different POV? In my state pedestrians have the right away so I assume that means that it doesn’t matter if the pedestrian shouldn’t be in the road.

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u/Amazing_Rutabaga4049 Sep 22 '22

Speeding tickets dont put you in jail even in accidents you have to normally be going drastically over the speed limit i think 15-20km over gets you that excessive speeding reckless driving charges. Pedestrians never have right of way in non crosswalks. Especially in the states, you seem to be missing technical nuances in laws.

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u/iLoveFeynman Sep 22 '22

You are way, way too confident a jury wouldn't find someone speeding without looking at the road guilty of reckless driving (causing injury).

It's a stationary human in the middle of the lane for at least several seconds before impact.

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u/Amazing_Rutabaga4049 Sep 22 '22

At night, in black clothing; you are thinking emotionally. You are actually taught to remove your eyes from the road to check your mirrors and blind spots. So you can’t be popped for “taking eyes off road”.

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u/iLoveFeynman Sep 22 '22

I'm thinking emotionally?

If some random camera can clearly see this man, and there is such good lighting on that street that he is casting two discernible shadows from the poles on either side of the road, and you just ram him while driving, then you weren't paying attention to the road at all whatsoever.

Absolutely no way to excuse this based on clothing color or darkness or anything like that.

https://i.imgur.com/7xyLCxa.png

Anyone confident a jury wouldn't find this to be reckless driving is a fool. Going about 20 km/h over a 30 km/h speed limit while not paying attention to the road to the point that you don't notice a human being standing still in a well lit street directly in your lane for several seconds. Wanton disregard for others' safety.

You are actually taught to remove your eyes from the road to check your mirrors and blind spots.

This would be a funny thing to include if you were trolling. Since you're not it is just sad.

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u/MystikxHaze Sep 22 '22

Vehicular manslaughter and negligent homicide could apply. Doubt they'd be charging him with speeding.

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u/D-F-B-81 Sep 22 '22

I dont think the pedestrian is at fault.

I believe pedestrians have the right of way, pretty much anywhere, but im sure it varies state to state.

However good luck hitting the cop on a distracted driving charge. They can shoot you in the face for no reason and get paid leave while they investigate themselves.

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u/Talkshit_Avenger Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

This is in Canada, and pedestrians absolutely do not have the right of way everywhere. Streets are for vehicular traffic, that's why they exist. Pedestrians have right of way at pedestrian crossings, which include unmarked intersections. They NEVER have right of way in the middle of the block. When people dumbfuck their way out into traffic here, they're the ones at fault for the accident and if they survive, they are charged.

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u/AutisticFingerBang Sep 22 '22

Right of way pretty much anywhere? That is the most dangerous and insane take I’ve seen today. So well done. 50 mph speed limit and rush hour traffic? Sure just walk into the middle of the road any where at any time. If you cause a 10 car pile up and kill a few people, definitely not your fault! Like wtf dude. Also this isn’t even like the person was crossing the street, they were seemingly nodding out or just hunched over for an extended period of time in the middle of the road.

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u/fistmebro Sep 22 '22

This is Canada...

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u/SirFrancis_Bacon Sep 22 '22

This video quite literally proves that he's excessively speeding. It's a 30km/h zone.

Definitely enough for charges to be laid. Probably not jail though, unless the person died.

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u/Amazing_Rutabaga4049 Sep 22 '22

Were you able to calculate his speed using the fps and the distance traveled? Then yeah pretty good chance he could face a trial.

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u/SirFrancis_Bacon Sep 22 '22

Bro, do you have eyes. It's extremely obvious he is going way faster than 30km/h.

My area all the speed limits are 30km/h in residential zones and it's actually incredibly slow. You can tell they are speeding, at the bare minimum 45-50km/h, but I'd wager even closer to 60.

In case you're an American 30km/h is an 18mph speed limit.

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u/Amazing_Rutabaga4049 Sep 22 '22

Bro i do and i asked you if you could do the calculations because i admitted i could not. My eyes can see what happened but i do not have a dashboard calculating the velocities of things. And i have literally agreed with you that if that is the case he would be in trouble.

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u/SirFrancis_Bacon Sep 22 '22

I'm telling you there is no need to "do the calculations" because of how incredibly obvious the cop is speeding.

30km/h is incredibly slow.

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u/Kaveman_Rud Sep 22 '22

Thanks my dumb American brain saw the 30km/h auto as mph I was like uhh that looks about 30…. No way in hell was it 18 mph

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u/SirFrancis_Bacon Sep 22 '22

Yep, 30mph seems about right as that would put him around 48kph, which around my estimate.

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u/Sophisticated-ApeMan Sep 22 '22

That’s not true at all.

This very thing happened to me a few years back while driving home down Powell. My driving lights we on, it was dusk, and I was distracted by someone walking a pig on the left side sidewalk for .5 seconds. Hardly any time at all. In that moment someone had walking out into traffic, I guess expecting people to see and stop for him, and I didn’t have enough time to stop. Caught everything on camera… the guy was hurt but not dead and there were zero charges placed on me because of the nature of the accident.

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u/PROFESSIONALBLOGGERS Sep 22 '22

there were zero charges placed on me because of the nature of the accident.

The pig on a leash, however, was cited for being such an adorable distraction.

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u/ProfHamHam Sep 22 '22

I’m sorry but I laughed at this because of the pig walking. I have to ask, did the person walking the pig come to help/assist? Cause now I’m just imagining a pig on the scene

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u/Sophisticated-ApeMan Sep 22 '22

Hahaha I have absolutely no idea what the pig ended up doing. After the accident I was in a state of shock. I thought I may have killed the guy and I guess I lost track of where piggy went

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u/ejvela9425 Sep 22 '22

Even regular citizens don’t go to jail if they accidentally hit someone, unless they are intoxicated, and or flee the scene. If they pull over and call for help they are covered.

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u/Richmahogonysmell Sep 22 '22

Not if the hurt someone due to negligence like driving with no headlights, speeding, or distracted driving.

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u/ICBPeng1 Sep 22 '22

I think prison time depends on the injuries, and I do agree that this cop deserves prosecution as though he weren’t a cop, but I think that context is missing:

Was this deliberate and the cop just continued on?

Was this distracted driving and the cop tried to help?

Did this person pass out in the road, and only stagger to their feet a second before the recording starts?

In any of these situations I believe he should be prosecuted.

But cutting it here, makes it look deliberate at first glance, inflaming tempers towards cops.

Trying to push an agenda/sell a story.

I’m not arguing for or against anything, but especially in recent years I have become very aware that every piece of media/news is trying to push an agenda, and I try to pay attention to what they could be pushing.

It doesn’t change anything about the bare facts of the story, but it’s something I’d like to know at least.

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u/SuboptimalStability Sep 22 '22

It was the fentanyl than killed him not the collision... the PD probably

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u/Richmahogonysmell Sep 22 '22

I understand where you are coming from but I dont think any of those scenarios make this a non jail sentence issue. Especcially for a cop whos entire job it is is to be vigilant and pay attention. Even if the cop stopped, even if the person in the street was only there for a few seconds, even if it was 100% accidental.....The cop was driving recklessly and hit a pedestrian. point blank end of story.

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u/its_ben_real Sep 22 '22

They don’t give prison sentences for striking jaywalkers in the USA unless you can prove it was intentional (attempted murder/ assault)

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u/Sluisifer Sep 22 '22

any of us normal citizens would be in prison for this

See if /r/bicycling or /r/fuckcars agrees with that sentiment.

Average sober citizen gets parole or a few months tops.

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u/Richmahogonysmell Sep 22 '22

Yeah as more and more commenters keep correcting me, the research proves that y’all are right. I’m not sure what I’m going to do with this knowledge but I did learn some things today.

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u/discipleofchrist69 Sep 22 '22

yeah, there's a common(?) saying in the US, if you want to get away with murdering someone, just hit them with your car

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u/crownamedcheryl Sep 22 '22

We certainly wouldn't be sleeping in our own beds that night.

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u/truckstop_sushi Sep 22 '22

Wait so you think if someone is wearing all black and hunched down in the road and you slam on the brakes before hitting them you would be arrested? For what exactly?

Police reform is only inhibited by this reactionary bullshit that villifies and publicizes any police action that is accidental and understandable human error that any good human is capable of.

All this does is take airtime away from actual fucked up incidents of Police abuse of power and the intertwining judicicial and political corruption happening each day. And prevents good people from ever wanting to enter law enforcement because they will understandably be afraid of unfair blanket accusations from internet mobs.

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u/SirFrancis_Bacon Sep 22 '22

For what exactly?

Maybe for: Careless driving causing bodily harm or death

Seeing as the cop car is driving over the posted speed limit of 30kph (18mph) this could be considered dangerous driving:

To determine whether someone should be charged, the police will consider all the circumstances of the situation, including:

  • the way the driver drove, such as speeding or weaving in and out of traffic, or following too closely to the car ahead,
  • the nature and condition of the place where the offence took place, and
  • the traffic in the area.

https://www.legalline.ca/legal-answers/dangerous-driving-and-criminal-negligence/

This officer should be treated the same as any other person in this situation, that is to say: investigated and prosecuted if it is found they were driving dangerously.

This in no way "take airtime away from actual fucked up incidents" nor would investigating this incident be "reactionary bullshit".

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u/crownamedcheryl Sep 23 '22

Thank you for your thoughtful comment :)

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u/Ok-Amoeba-7249 Sep 22 '22

Exactly. It was an ‘accident’ caused by multiple levels of fucking ignorance and negligence. Which they arrest ppl for. Soooooo yeah guilty. Eyes on the road mother fucker, and follow the speed limit YOU enforce. This accident is EXACTLY why there are speed limits.

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u/slow_cooked_ham Sep 23 '22

It's worth nothing that this specific stretch of street is extremely known for it's pedestrians just wandering into the street. This is a several block zone of 30km/hr posted speed limits... that aren't just posted with road signs, but all over the road as well.

As someone who works and travels through this area multiple times a day, even going the speed limit feels risky sometimes due to the nature of people to just wander out into the street at high speed from any direction. The cops here are extremely familiar with the neighbourhood and should of been driving accordingly, there is absolutely no excuse for this incident. Calling it an accident means this was unavoidable, but this was entirely preventable.

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u/IsRude Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

The biggest issue is that cops are always on their laptops and phones. We have tons of chops cops where I am, and it's very seldom that I see them with their full focus on the road.

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u/probablyagiven Sep 22 '22

The biggest issue is that they don't follow traffic laws and can never be ticketed. The issue is, as always, accountability.

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u/Overglobe Sep 23 '22

Yes, I was rear ended by a cop in a place where three stoplights are jampacked next to each other. He apologized profusely because he had just gotten a call and he was looking at his laptop

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

I was robbed and had a cop drive me to the station to fill out reports and what not. guy was typing on a laptop the whole drive.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Im sure someone could figure it out for the speed. But for the general driving there really is no reason to just run into something stationary in the middle of the road.

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u/SpectreFire Sep 23 '22

It's definitely an accident, but the cop is a complete fucking idiot and needs to be fired immediately at the very least.

It's one thing to be distracted while driving, but EVERYONE in the city knows that street in particular is full of crackheads wandering around without a care. A local cop who patrols that area should especially know it.

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u/yallready4this Sep 23 '22

As someone who lives in Vancouver, this area (East Hastings) is REALLY bad and that cop was definitely speeding. The video I saw on the news was longer and the road gas little traffic (everyone else appears to be driving slower than the cop car was) and when I drive through this area, I do not care if the person behind me has road rage or if I'll be late: I go school zone slow because the chances of a pedestrian involved collision is way too high. When I uber/lyft I ask my driver to slow down in that area but most time

They're also called "the walking dead" here because they literally wander through the streets like a zombie and occasionally grab/attack people just walking by. They don't obey or wait for the crosswalk, they will stand in the road and if you honk or yell at them, they will start attacking the car. Its so messed up that this is the result of the city abandoning the homeless and drug crisis. The pandemic made it even worse.

Also I dont hear the brakes until the actual point of impact (could be lag from the recording) but I can confirm that cop was speeding WAY too fast.

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u/fellatious_argument Sep 22 '22

Reckless driving isn't an accident, it's a choice you make dozens or even hundreds of times a day to not drive in a safe manner.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

he didnt say he was driving recklessly on accident.

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u/Stinklepinger Sep 22 '22

Negligent. The term is "negligent".

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u/Hootingforlife Sep 22 '22

I take a bus through that street almost everyday to get downtown. Most of the homeless there are in need of extreme help as they aren't there mentally or just high.

I've seen people walk in the middle of the intersection asking to be hit and everyday I see someone crossing the street like this. The police should know this and take proper precautions. There is no excuse here.

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u/crclOv9 Sep 22 '22

As someone who lives nearby, it was an accident. Cops aren’t blood hungry out here.

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u/def_dvr Sep 22 '22

Plus it's dark and he's just standing in middle of road

Even with headlights on it might not register as a person standing in the middle of the road

Reflective gear is only solution to this problem

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u/wee-willie-winkie Sep 22 '22

It wasn't wreckless, just fast. We don't know the context. Where was he going? What was his workload? Accidents happen, especially when someone dressed in black is hunched right over

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u/JamesGray Sep 22 '22

It was an accident but neither of the cops in that car even stayed and waited for the paramedics to arrive and the VPD have been downplaying their involvement since the guy died.

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u/redlightnetherlands Sep 22 '22

I hit a person crossing the street back in 1999. I was looking up and the speed was 25mph. There were streetlights and a little rain and I didn't see him until he was over my hood.

One thing I do know is that you weren't there -- to sound so emphatic.

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u/wzrd23 Sep 22 '22

I'm from Vancouver, homeless dart out into the streets on east Hastings, they are fucked up on drugs and mentally unstable. Every single time I drive down that street I almost hit someone. It's an absolute zoo right now with all the tents, and there is no policing it because you can't fine them or put them in jail or even put them in a mental health facility. I 100% feel sorry for the cop who is probably responding to an emergency having to unfortunately drive down that street.

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u/catomelette Sep 22 '22

Vancouverite as well. 100% what this guy is saying. Cop was clearly distracted, but this road is treacherous to drive down paying intense attention because of people getting in the road. It’s exhausting to drive down.

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u/lagunatri99 Sep 23 '22

Parts of downtown LA are mess like you describe. The homeless are stumbling across the street oblivious to cars. Or, they’ll meander and sway and stop in the middle to stare you down, like they’re daring you to proceed. As their hundreds of friends watch from the sidelines. I feel sorry for the hardworking business owners and residents who have to put up with this nonsense.

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u/cr125rider Sep 23 '22

Your solution is to just let them take over part of your town?

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u/funkmaster29 Sep 23 '22

they tried putting them all in a giant blender but people didn't like mass murder so what else can you do?

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u/hebrewchucknorris Sep 23 '22

From Vancouver also, I've driven down that road countless times, but have always managed to avoid hitting people in the road. If this officer is incapable of driving fast, without lights or sirens without killing someone, he shouldn't be driving.

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u/zymuralchemist Sep 22 '22

Fine but, that guy didn’t dart. He was standing completely still. Yeah that’s a poor place to do it, clearly, but there was no darting. And if the cop was responding to a call, they should have had lights & siren on. They didn’t.

The cops drive like maniacs in Vancouver. Too fast, they blow stop signs and red lights, and their heads are down in their phones or the laptop as often as not. This was negligence.

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u/wzrd23 Sep 22 '22

They often respond without lights and sirens to not alert people they are coming depending on the emergency. This wasn't an intersection this was someone completely cracked out looking like a pylon standing motionless in the middle of the street, could have been anyone that hit that dude. I'm sure the cop or any person felt awful after an incident like that, and it's the persons lack of personal responsibility or care that has him cracked out in the middle of a busy road.

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u/zymuralchemist Sep 22 '22

You’re all heart wzrd.

My mistake, I forgot what sub I was on. Dirty junkie types aren’t people. Got it.

And the cop had no “personal responsibility” to look out the windshield while doing twice the speed limit. Got it.

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u/wzrd23 Sep 22 '22

They are people, but people have to accept responsibility for their choices in life, that goes two ways, it includes the choice to shoot junk and stand motionless in the middle of the road.

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u/HaesoSR Sep 22 '22

They often respond without lights and sirens to not alert people they are coming

Man you'll just pull bullshit out of your ass at the drop of a hat to defend a cop running over a person in the middle of the street not even moving.

could have been anyone that hit that dude.

How fucking shit are you at driving? I don't hit clearly visible stationary objects with my car. I dare say most people can manage to avoid hitting stationary objects.

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u/kennytravel Sep 23 '22

You must have never driven in vancouver

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u/hebrewchucknorris Sep 23 '22

I live here and I've never hit a homeless person, or any other stationary object

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u/Quiet_Remote_5898 Sep 22 '22

Agreed, the cops here drive like maniacs. I almost got T-boned by a cop cuz she was distracted on her phone or whatever running a stop sign. Obviously, she didn't have lights or anything on.

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u/zymuralchemist Sep 23 '22

VPD, tow trucks, Yellow Cab, and those little Lordco shitboxes: the four horsemen of nearly getting run over in Vancouver.

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u/KeyDistribution8177 Sep 23 '22

If you drive in an area where you know pedestrians might be on the street and you drive fast and without paying attention, that’s almost the definition of negligence.

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u/DogmanDOTjpg Sep 23 '22

If only there were some kind of rules in place to prevent you from driving too fast to avoid people in the road. Oh well, guess we just have to hit them

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u/Adam_is_Nutz Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22 Faith In Humanity Restored

Doesn't really matter if it was on purpose or not. Cop was speeding and reckless driving. Possibly resulted in death due to negligence. Should be charged same way as a civilian.

Edit: I understand the crime depends on whether it was purposeful. I was referring to the person I commented under who seemed to be arguing it was just an accident.

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u/4InchesOfury Sep 22 '22

Reminder: the backup driver of a self driving Uber wasn’t paying attention and hit a cyclist crossing the street illegally and was criminally charged.

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u/TDKevin Sep 22 '22

The backup driver of a self driving uber? That's a thing? Shouldnt the auto drive be a backup to the human? Never heard of uber's with backup drivers

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u/GooeyChickenman Sep 22 '22

Uber among others are aiming for full autonomy so the human is indeed the backup to the car. It’s not like Tesla where its publicly available and designed as backup to the human.

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u/Yardsale420 Sep 22 '22

Your just going to pretend that happened in Canada and is therefore subject to Canadian Law?

Because it didn’t.

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u/4InchesOfury Sep 22 '22

You’re right my bad, didn’t realize it was Canada. I blame my America-centric bias.

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u/TheLawlessMan Sep 22 '22

But you are certainly going to leave it up for people to keep reading!

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u/awkward___silence Sep 22 '22

Yes because otherwise the thread doesn’t make sense. People can read the thread, see the call out and the own up. I guess even admitting you made a mistake isn’t even enough for people now

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u/4InchesOfury Sep 22 '22

People can read the comment below too which addresses it.

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u/pepsi_cola_kid Sep 22 '22

The difference is that the backup driver was specifically there to ensure that things like that didn't occur.

So I'm not excusing this but it's not the same. The cop has a job outside of ensuring the car doesn't hit someone, and the backup driver's only job is to ensure that car doesn't hit someone.

That cop will simply argue they saw something suspicious going on and had them distracted. While that is not an acceptable excuse, it will most likely absolve them of some culpability in this case.

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u/Efficient-Doctor1274 Sep 22 '22

"The difference is that the backup driver was specifically there to ensure that things like that didn't occur."

How is that different? The cop was behind the wheel specifically for that same reason. As long as the vehicle is moving that is his PRIMARY reason for being there.

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u/heavywether Sep 22 '22

Literally no. if you're driving a car your first fucking job is to not hit people. Like thats your #1 responsibility

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u/smoozer Sep 22 '22

So barely charged with anything? That's what you're saying, since you're obviously not from Canada.

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u/Kirikoza Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

EDIT: the person I was responding to clarified what they meant and edited the comment. No hate, all love ♥️ I'll leave my original comment for context.

What a stupid statement. Of course it matters if it's on purpose or not! We have different degrees of murder and manslaughter specifically because it matters if it's on purpose or not.

I agree he should be charged the same as a civilian, and it matters in civilian cases too.

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u/Decafstab Sep 22 '22

Yeah people just acting vindicated because it’s a cop. Imagine that was you, and your car was to high up to immediately notice anything, because some idiot was HUNCHED down in the middle of the road at night, and you hit them just the same. You’d expect the law to be kind to you too. Double standard fuck heads on Reddit.

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u/IdolCowboy Sep 22 '22

Video can be deceptive on speeds and distance, and we don't know the speed limit of that street, could be 40 or 45. The cop did stop on a dime, so how fast was he really going? Doesn't look excessive to me.

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u/whoweoncewere Sep 22 '22

30kmph speed limit on the street apparently. Which is slow af.

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u/JunJunSad Sep 22 '22

Holy fuck Im definitely ACAB but this fucking guy is hunched over at night in dark clothes… IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING ROAD. How from the video can you even say the cop was speeding? Reddit hivemind going craZy.

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u/tammy-hell Sep 22 '22

i think people who commit vehicular manslaughter should probably have at least some punishment more than "literal nothing"

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u/Spatetata Sep 22 '22

manslaughter

You’ve literally said it yourself.

We have differentiations between degrees of murder (intentional) and manslaughter (unintentional) specifically for that.

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u/Decafstab Sep 22 '22

I agree he should be punished in some fashion, but cops are the exact same as me and you, and nothing in this situation makes it any different than if he was a cop or not. If this was a shooting, an arrest. Sure hold him to a higher standard, but this is an every day thing everyone does, and that’s simply driving.

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u/EngagedInConvexation Sep 22 '22

Driving is something the fuzz enforces, too...

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u/Decafstab Sep 22 '22

I understand that, but he isn’t PERFORMING his duties right now. Seriously this is just a tragic accident (it looks like it, who knows maybe that cop was driving distracted) and it just so happens to be a cop. Nothing about this situation is great, but to say BECAUSE he is a cop, it makes it so he should get in trouble more than anyone else is fucking stupid.

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u/EngagedInConvexation Sep 22 '22

Nothing against you, but I think that way of thinking is bullshit.

Cops aren't, "just like us" when they are working, and I certainly consider driving a city owned vehicle to be "working," no matter the instance.

They can be "just like us" when they're at home and their mistakes aren't remedied by our tax dollars and half the city's budget. They should be held to a higher standard while performing their duties but I'd settle for the same standards if that meant it would reduce their costly (in so many ways) whoopsies.

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u/tammy-hell Sep 22 '22

people who are stupid drivers who hit people shouldn't be allowed to be police

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u/Kirikoza Sep 22 '22

Ridiculous sentence. Accidents happen all the time to everyone no matter how exceptional they are, there isn't a way to determine if the cop you're going to hire might accidentally run into someone standing in the middle of the road at night.

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u/tammy-hell Sep 22 '22

if you literally, physically end another human being's life through your actions, it's not a "woopsie, accidents happen" moment. you shouldn't be allowed to be in a situation where it can happen again

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u/Kirikoza Sep 22 '22

I refer to my first comment. We make distinctions because the severity of taking a life on purpose outweighs it happening on accident. You can't determine a just punishment if you're not willing to ask if it was premeditated or not.

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u/CantHideFromGoblins Sep 22 '22

I think part of the reason people are vindictive towards a cop is because they are driving all the time as part of their job. It’s like if a store clerk ran someone over vs a bus driver, people are going to bring the driver’s job into it and claim they should’ve been better

Like a bus driver expected to yield to civilians you’d hopefully expect a cop to not drive like he’s on his own private driveway while in the middle of an urban center

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u/CurrentRedditAccount Sep 22 '22

It doesn’t make any difference if someone maliciously and intentionally murders someone as opposed to accidentally hitting a person who is standing hunched down in the middle of a public road? I’d say it makes a pretty huge difference actually.

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u/nahog99 Sep 22 '22

100% different and makes a HUGE difference in what you are charged with / sentenced to. A sober person having a momentary lapse of focus hitting a pedestrian which leads to injury or death will not be sentenced even remotely as harshly as someone who intentionally kills someone. If it can be proven that they were texting at the time of the impact or something I'm sure that would make their sentencing worse. Either way it's definitely a crime and there should definitely be punishment. How much punishment depends on the facts surrounding the case. I will say this though, of all drivers on the road police officers have got to be some of the most distracted. Between their phones, computers, radios etc and the fact that they're supposed to be looking around for stuff, they are extremely distracted and they are kind of supposed to be.

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u/TheNotSoGreatPumpkin Sep 22 '22

There’s a common mindset around which considers cops guilty until proven innocent, as if they are humans incapable of making human mistakes.

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u/fellatious_argument Sep 22 '22

Reckless driving isn't a mistake, it's a callous decision to ignore the safety of everyone else on the road so that you can get to your destination half a second quicker.

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u/FonzieSaysAay Sep 22 '22

This isn’t a pedestrian it’s a zombie waster basically sleeping standing doubled over in the road. There are obviously bad cops and please save your rage for their fuck ups. This is just a sad humanity moment. It could happen to literally anyone no matter how alert you are.

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u/fellatious_argument Sep 22 '22

Yes, it could happen to literally anyone who speeds through a residential area while distracted by their laptop/phone.

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u/FonzieSaysAay Sep 22 '22

Yea that looks commercial minus the tents and yea literally changing the radio could make you miss a blacked out person at night. That’s why pedestrians are expected to abide by some standards as well.

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u/fellatious_argument Sep 22 '22

Commercial, at night, with heavy foot traffic, including an obstructed sidewalk means you should be driving extremely cautiously. The speed limit where they were driving was 20mph, no way they were going under that.

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u/butterfingahs Sep 22 '22

How does that magically not make him a pedestrian? If I wanted to be really dishonest I could even argue you're downplaying the value of his life just because it's some 'waster'. Unless you actually are?

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u/FonzieSaysAay Sep 22 '22

I’m placing at least a significant portion of the fault on him. He’s broken the social contract and is not even capable of obeying basic pedestrian laws. Just like someone shooting themself in the head it’s tragic and they are no less human, but our actions are ultimately our own responsibility.

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u/butterfingahs Sep 22 '22

Then if this is a well known area for this sort of thing according to basically every Vancouver commenter in this thread, wouldn't you exercise extra caution blitzing through this area, especially as a law enforcement officer?

"So high out of his mind he can't possibly coherently function or be aware of what he's doing" isn't exactly as simple as 'breaking social contract'.

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u/FonzieSaysAay Sep 22 '22

If you can’t control your own actions in public then you have broken the contract. You are a liability to yourself and others. Pretty simple in my opinion. Drunk in public laws have been existed for ages for this reason.

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u/redmastodon20 Sep 22 '22

How do you know he was speeding?

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u/Noners342 Sep 22 '22

This whole area of the city is a 30 km/h zone for exactly this reason. Addicts just stumble out into traffic or stand in the middle of the road just like this.

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u/redmastodon20 Sep 22 '22

How fast was he going?

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u/nahog99 Sep 22 '22

I'm a filthy AMERICAN but I'd say he was going maybe 40-45kmh? I'm sure you could figure it out with video analysis.

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u/brianary_at_work Sep 22 '22

The theory of relativity.

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u/FranticWaffleMaker Sep 22 '22

So from what I’ve found 3m divider lines are standard in Canada outside of roundabouts. Looks like it took about .16 seconds for his front bumper to get from the left to the right side of the line while his brakes aren’t being applied. If I didn’t totally fuck the math up that puts it at 18.75 mps or about 67 kmph. Again, this is all contingent on me not totally fucking up the math but even if they are the shorter 1.8m center lines they use in roundabouts that’s still like 10 kmph over.

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u/bulging_cucumber Sep 22 '22

Uh, yes it does matter whether or not it was on purpose.

It's reckless endangerment if it's not on purpose, it's assault or attempted murder if it's on purpose. I swear people on reddit cannot comprehend that there are gradations in evil, that two things can be bad and yet one is worse than the other.

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u/mxzf Sep 22 '22

It may or may not even be reckless endangerment, depending on how fast he was going.

The pedestrian was in black clothes standing still in the middle of the road at night; they would have been hard to see. Depending on how fast the car was going and how hard to see the pedestrian was this could be either "reckless endangerment" or "tragic accident".

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u/buscemian_rhapsody Sep 22 '22

Man if you think Reddit is bad (it is), never go on Twitter lmao

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u/Fishyswaze Sep 22 '22

Also literally everyone that’s ever been to Vancouver knows you go slow as fuck on this street because people acting like zombies wander out in the road constantly. A cop should 100% know better than to drive like this near Hastings and Main.

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u/thecoolness229 Sep 23 '22

Remember (in the context of car collisions), there is no such thing as accidents.

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u/GroundhogExpert Sep 22 '22

seemed to be arguing it was just an accident.

It IS an accident. That doesn't stop considering additional factors, but you're saying this somehow isn't an accident, or that being high and crouching in the middle of the road doesn't matter. That's dumb.

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u/shadedren Sep 22 '22

You can tell the cop slowed down almost immediately once he felt the hit. Wasn’t intentional at all, but it’s funny how Atleast in the U.S we get stopped for being on our phones on the road but I know the cops do the same thing and they get away Scratch free if they something like this happens to them

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u/Tylendal Sep 23 '22

it definitely wasn’t on purpose

Shitty, reckless driving is a deliberate choice.

Sure, he didn't deliberately hit someone, but the officer deliberately chose the irresponsibility that resulted in it.

It's the DTES. They should be on their toes, and not assuming pedestrians will be rational. Definitely shouldn't be speeding excessively.

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u/80HDDD47 Sep 23 '22

exactlyyyyyyyy. You said it better than me. Although it was an accident, it still his fault for not paying attention. Glad a few people have brains here.

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u/Technology-Mission Sep 22 '22

Right but an officer shouldnt have an excuse to not be paying attention. If I hit someone with my car and they died from being in middle of road I still risk manslaughter charge.

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u/ACiDRiFT Sep 22 '22

Law Enforcement is exempt from the laws us as civilians have. The reason is likely because, they have the center console computers they have to use.

“Currently, drivers are banned from texting while driving in 30 states, yet all of those laws that apply to the general public exempt law enforcement officers.”

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u/Technology-Mission Sep 22 '22

Then they should pull over when they need to avert their eyes. And they should update that policy. What if they killed a kid in the middle of the street? Sre they exempt from proper safety requirements of being a driver that does not endanger others? I understand this person was in dark clothes in the middle of the road at night and it was an accident. But they were not even paying close enough attention to brake before slamming the pedestrian.

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u/SoloSpooks Sep 22 '22

What story could you possibly come up with that would make what he said any less true?

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u/Kenneldogg Sep 22 '22

He didn't have his lights on and was speeding. What story would make it alright in your book?

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u/WesternCanadian Sep 22 '22

Public sector employees have exemptions on distracted driving when working in their vehicles

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u/swilliams508 Sep 22 '22

OPs point isn't that they don't have an exemption, it's that they shouldn't

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

If you think it was on purpose you are dumber than the cop

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u/Merry_Dankmas Sep 22 '22

Thats what i came here to say. People are acting like this cop was intentionally hunting down hobos to splatter on the windshield. Its substantially more probable that he wasn't paying attention or was distracted and didn't see the guy. I dislike the police as much as the next guy but ffs, think for more than 2 seconds before coming to a conclusion.

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u/Adderkleet Sep 22 '22

Current top voted comments are mostly saying the cop wasn't singling this guy out, and/or the cop was going rather fast in a 30 kph zone with no flashing lights and no siren.

I know we wouldn't expect a kid to be out on the street in the middle of the night. But this cop would've hit whatever was in the middle of the road. Because he's going too fast and not paying close enough attention. And there's no apparent reason for speeding, since the lights and siren are off - he's not warning others of the speeding cop car.

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u/spam99 Sep 22 '22

reddit and think are polar opposites

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u/Eddiebaby7 Sep 22 '22

While dressed in all black at night.

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u/LeatherPuppy Sep 22 '22

You're not supposed to wear white after Labor Day

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u/Jinxa Sep 22 '22

I agree, dont jump to conclusions, and not every cop is a murderer, but neither point is obvious tbh. Theres too little context to know the true situation. All we know is this cop hit a pedestrian with his car, motive completely unknown.

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u/zeke235 Sep 22 '22

I mean, you can hear him slam on the brakes right after he hits the guy. If you hit someone with a car, you follow through and keep driving... i would assume.

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u/trchili Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

I was curious at this because I wasn't really sure the police car was speeding. These things can be difficult for me to tell visually. I noted the video was timestamped to the second, and the news stories gave me enough to find the location. Additionally the video has enough permanent landmarks to estimate the speed, so I did some homework...

This was easy because we have two sets of stripes going across the road. The farthest start of the white lines denoting the pedestrian crossing and the two black lines that appear to be a cut across the street is 23 meters according to google. Stepping through the 3466MS video I find the car traverses this distance in about 1600MS, which by my math works to about 51KPH. This vehicle appears to be exceeding the 30KPH limit by 70%.

https://i.imgur.com/pmhJUVF.png

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u/ocular__patdown Sep 23 '22

I’m 100% sure it was an accident

guarantee the cop was distracted

Pick one

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u/Rent_A_Cloud Sep 23 '22

No such thing as an accident, there is always somebody at fault in a car crash, wether the person was a distracted driver or the mechanic that forgot to add breaking fluid.

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u/hokkpin Sep 23 '22

Yeah I agree this is clearly unintentional but the negligence is obvious and very concerning

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u/Urban_Savage Sep 23 '22

Accidents happen, when your doing twice the posted speed limit while looking at your fucking phone.

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u/Gumbo_Osmosis Sep 22 '22

I agree Is it me? lately it seems like Reddit has been taken over by people with the opinions and insight of biased eleven year olds.

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u/Yallaretoosensitive_ Sep 22 '22

Every once in a while, I have to remember that the vast majority of this websites traffic is high schoolers.

Reddit comments is what happens when you give children smart phones.

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u/GreenNatureR Sep 23 '22

reddit isn't hip or trendy. every highschooler is on tiktok or youtube, not reddit lol.

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u/N4hire Sep 22 '22

The road is supposed to be free of people. I get everyone’s is concerned about what happened. But there isn’t supposed to be any person On the The road like that. Imagine driving at night, your visibility is terrible and you look at your radio for one sec to check your station, you look up confident that the last time you checked there were no other vehicles close to you, then your eyes adjust and you have a dude just standing there 20 feet away from you.

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u/LacquerCritic Sep 22 '22

Anyone who lives in this region knows about this part of the city. There are gigantic warnings and speed limits painted on the road and everyone know there are pedestrians constantly wandering onto the road. There's no excuse for a cop to not be paying careful attention when driving this part of Hastings.

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u/N4hire Sep 22 '22

I agree he shouldn’t have been speeding.

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u/madahaba1212 Sep 22 '22

& not just any dude. But a sad hobo In dark rags.

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u/DudeCrabb Sep 22 '22

Regardless he should have been paying attention. You’re asking for trouble if you drive without paying attention. Especially as a coo. Especially in an area with homeless. I live somewhere with tons of homeless. You drive fucking careful. Obviously this cop is a dangerous idiot. At the least. What a stupid accident

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u/blakeaholics Sep 22 '22

For sure an accident, but that cop should have been well aware of the drug users that hang in the street. Vancouver's DTES is littered with people down on their luck doing shit like this. (source: I'm a local)

It's a terrible accident for which there is no excuse, unfortunately. It's in a 30kph zone with a well-established community of people not thinking straight.

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u/80HDDD47 Sep 22 '22

I think you’re correct, thank god you have a logical thinking brain unlike some people who are replying to my comment. I guess people just have low reading comprehension skills.

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u/jonnerb Sep 22 '22

I live not far from this street…this looks like an accident. East Hastings street has had an increase of tents and crime over the past months. Not to mention this crest that the cop just drove over (main and Hastings) has limited visibility. I’ve almost hit people on this street due to the fact they’re high as fuck and just wander or run out into traffic. Dude was slumped over and the cop was probably distracted.. I mean, it’s hard not to be… it’s like a zombie movie set down there .

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u/Ren_Hoek Sep 22 '22

On top of that it looks like the person hit was wearing all black or dark colors. If the cop was speeding, then that adds to culpability but it's not 100% the cops fault.

Maybe they should put up those yellow signs, like deer crossing signs with a junkie hunched over to notify drivers that this is a junkie nodding area and to be careful.

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u/rewanpaj Sep 22 '22

so i guess distracted driving is okay for us to do too then?

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u/80HDDD47 Sep 22 '22

Never once said it was ok, illiteracy runs rampant in these parts of Reddit don’t it?

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u/DanielsJacket Sep 22 '22

100% sure eh? Stating the obvious? Were you in the vehicle? Do you know the cop?

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u/F_D123 Sep 22 '22

You are in fact, defending the police officer. Which shouldn't be necessary. But this is Reddit

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u/80HDDD47 Sep 22 '22

You can think whatever you want but let me tell you I am not defending him, he was going over the speed limit knowing he was entering a zone filled with homeless people, all I was commenting about was a counter to the people in the comments saying the cop did it on purpose, I don’t think he did it on purpose, but he still ended up hitting the poor guy.

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u/GaiusGraco Sep 22 '22

I'll take almost any chance to hate on cops. But this is 100% on the pedestrian dressed in black in the middle of the night completely still on the road

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u/80HDDD47 Sep 22 '22

Exactly both are at fault but it’s mostly the police officers for speeding and not paying attention, if he was this would’ve never happened

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u/Scagnetti58 Sep 22 '22

And I can't tell but I think the pedestrian was bent over? I drive for a living and that would definitely throw me off for a second or so, especially if I was even mildly distracted. And I'm as positive as I can be that it was an accident, without being the driver.

AND yes, the driver should be charged. The same as I should if I did the same.

It seems like all of this should be painfully obvious. This kind of stupidity in government is rampant and needs to be addressed and remedied. Holy 💩

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u/Cardded Sep 22 '22

They should get their eyes off the laptop and on the road. If they want to drive without looking at the road they should turn on the siren.

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u/GapingGrannies Sep 22 '22

Cool reason, still manslaughter. Why does it make it okay to kill someone if it's an accident? It's still an injustice and the cop should face jail for it. Killing someone because of your operation of a motor vehicle in such a manner shouldn't be treated any different than killing someone in any other heavy machinery. At minimum you shouldnt be able to operate the machinery anymore, and should definitely face jail for it

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