r/CrazyFuckingVideos Sep 22 '22 Silver 1 Wholesome 3

VPD (Vancouver Police Deartment) hits pedestrian on E Hastings, HARD. Area is 30kmph zone, and the center of homelessness and addiction. Insane/Crazy NSFW

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u/Few_Blackberry7258 Sep 22 '22

This is the worst street maybe in the entire world it’s a complete disgrace to Canada that sucks a millions dollars a day of tax payers money it’s a complete hole

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u/RainbowWaffles135 Sep 22 '22

I’ve heard this statistic being thrown around a few times before but how exactly is $1m spent there every single day? I understand policing and community services but $1m a day seems pretty outrageous

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u/evade26 Sep 22 '22

I lived a few blocks from there for a few years so I have some experience with the Downtown Eastside of Vancouver.

The city spends around 360 million per year supporting different housing groups, health care facilities (safe injection sites etc) and policing in the area as well as clean up in that area when it isn't dangerous enough. Over 260 different organizations get funding to support the few blocks.

This does not include policing costs and medical costs to the healthcare system from Paramedics coming to help with drug use, hospital care for those who need it etc.

This number comes from a 2016 report and that number is for sure higher since then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Eastside#Costs

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u/RainbowWaffles135 Sep 22 '22

Okay that makes a lot more sense then. It’s pretty terrible that much money is being spent daily and clearly not putting a dent in the problem

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u/evade26 Sep 22 '22

yeah just like all modern slums in cities like the east side of Vancouver, in Seattle, Portland, LA etc there are no great solutions that people can rally behind. There is a huge problem with mental health and addiction but the people who need that care need to A) Want help and seek it out and B) have the infrastructure provided to them to access that care (therapists, detox facilities etc). In the 80s the in patient care facility in BC Riverview Hospital was closed because of rampant abuse by staff against patients and the community care was supposed to be better funded and accessible to take over that role but that never came to fruition. Right now you have people who are known "frequent flyers" who will OD several times in a day and the paramedics and hospitals have no method of helping them beyond narcan/naloxone and then moving on, "Treat them and Street them" is a common phrase.

Personally I think a better regulated, managed "forced" mental health care and addiction facility needs to be established to help people detox, get clean, provide therapy and counciling both mental and physical to help people address their issues be them physical pain or mental pain and then return to life infrastructure be provided to them through assisted housing etc.

Right now we do provide assisted housing for people if they want to take advantage of it but we aren't getting them clean first so regularly the buildings get destroyed through people ripping copper from the walls to sell drugs, places are burning down because of accidental fires due to drug use and they remain a sore spot of violence, abuse and drug trade/use.

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u/ReggieEvansTheKing Sep 22 '22

The big issue is that law forbids us from forcing people to get treatment against their free will. It is a stupid law though, because addiction and mental illness are the very essence of the loss of free will. These people need to be either treated or cured for their illnesses prior to being given the opportunity to make their own choices. If they aren’t forced into this type of recovery, then their illnesses will make decisions for them. Any parent would rather have their heroin addict child forced to be in a facility giving them an objectively better quality of life than their child be out on the streets being abused and in pain.

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u/evade26 Sep 22 '22

Oh for sure. Laws need to be changed to enable this care and the facilities that do that need to be held to the highest standard so 50 years later they don’t get shut down due to public outrage.

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u/RainbowWaffles135 Sep 22 '22

Thank you for the information! I know it’s such a complex issue and there’s no easy answers to solving it but it seems like the attitude is “this is good enough” with no real intention of changing the way we view and treat addition and mental health

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u/Wingmusic Sep 22 '22

Give me $360 million and I bet I could fix the problem in less than a year. What a waste of money.

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u/Tylendal Sep 23 '22

That's a fallacy. It's like saying that a parachute isn't working because you're still descending. Or that an umbrella isn't working because your pant-cuffs and shoes are still getting wet.

Many of the services provided there are preventative, which means their wider benefits go unnoticed and earn no thanks. Insite, the safe injection site, that provides clean needles and other safe drug paraphernalia, as well as providing drug safety testing, and counseling and support services, is one of the best examples. The knee jerk reaction is to criticize them for helping people do drugs. However, Insite pays for itself many times over in money saved that would otherwise be spent within the healthcare system. It also reduces the workload on paramedics.

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u/evade26 Sep 23 '22

There are for sure services in the DTES that punch above their weight class in regards to funding and the impact that they have. The issue is that in BC we have seemingly abandoned the last two pillars of the 4 pillars of harm reduction.

Harm reduction.
Prevention.
Treatment.
Enforcement.

Insite and other safe injection sites & drug testing sites have undoubtedly saved lives and reduced the strain on the hospital system but that is just the first pillar.

There are some efforts in the prevention of addition from the Gov and other groups but the last two, Treatment and Enforcement are basically abandoned in any meaningful way.

Make the use of drugs safer.

Build strategies that help prevent people from falling into a hole of drug abuse through comprehensive housing, mental health care, physical health care policies.

Provide robust treatment options for people who are in an addiction spiral and cant get out by themselves

Enforce the law to keep predators who push drugs away from those trying to get support.

$360 million is a lot of money but it is likely only a fraction that is needed to build a successful platform to help people with addiction and homeless issues and I wont pretend to know the answer but its clear after dumping billions of dollars into the DTES after more then a decade that the status quo is not working, is not helping and needs to change.

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u/RainbowWaffles135 Sep 23 '22

You’re jumping to a lot of conclusions here Tylendal. I’m not saying those services aren’t useful, I have friends who volunteer in these groups and understand they do clearly help people. I say it’s not putting a dent in the problem because as u/evade26 mentioned the money is being distributed between 260 organisations that all have different goals and objectives and approaches to helping. Wouldn’t it make more sense to have a regulatory body that oversees these organisations and acts as “control” to make sure all organisations are working towards the same goal, using the same approach. It seems like funding these groups is more of a band-aid fix rather than something that could be a long term proper fix because everyone has a different opinion on how they should be contributing

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u/Crezelle Sep 22 '22

I mean we need housing but obviously the money is not being used efficiently

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u/evade26 Sep 22 '22

oh for sure. How can 260 different organizations with their own mandates and goals manage to make effective change in the area

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u/smacksaw Sep 23 '22

A lot of these people need to go back to the communities that made them like this and their towns and cities need to pay to undo the damage done to them.

It's not Vancouver's role to take care of Canada's addicts and homeless simply because it's the one place you don't freeze to death living rough.

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u/evade26 Sep 23 '22

That would require a charter of rights and freedom change which is not going to happen so we have to work with the cards we are dealt which comes in the form of significant increase in federal funding for solutions that can work