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The surface of Mars: if, like Earth, 71% of its surface area was covered with water. [OC]

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u/Noxatrox Aug 03 '20 Silver Gold

Where do you guys think would be the best place to build an empire on this map?

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20 edited Jan 25 '22

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u/Astrokiwi Aug 03 '20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valles_Marineris if anyone is curious.

I think the region where the two gulfs meet would be the place to be. Good spot for trade. Olympus Mons on the other side of the continent would also be interesting. It's a mountain almost the size of France, but it has very sharp (and defensible) 5km high cliffs all around it. It would depend on the climate & atmosphere of our fictional watery Mars though - you'd need to be able to have agriculture above 5km for it to be a sustainable country.

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u/arrow74 Aug 03 '20

I would imagine that those steep inclines would not exist in a watery Mars due to water runoff/erosion

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u/Deesing82 Aug 03 '20

definitely. A functioning water cycle would vastly increase erosion on Olympus Mons.

But (!) because the volcano is so young, geologically speaking, if humans had settled Mars at the same time we settled earth, they wouldn't see any significant erosion for tens of millions of years.

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u/strtheat Aug 09 '20

And thus begins the geological carbon cycle.

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u/Pecuthegreat Aug 03 '20

Would still take tens of thousands of years to erode

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u/Archer-Saurus Aug 03 '20

The Expanse tells me that's where we will build our first settlements.

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u/TheRedHorse Aug 03 '20

Thats where many Martian colony domes are in The Expanse.

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u/Astrokiwi Aug 03 '20

I gave Red Mars a go like 15 years ago but it didn't grab me at the time. I should give it another go I think.

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u/Qahlel Aug 03 '20

Martian Neo Ottoman Empire FTW

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u/elcolerico Aug 03 '20

Don't give Erdogan ideas

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u/Alakazamon Aug 03 '20

The island in the middle of the inland sea on the western side of the eastern continent would be a better choice anyway, its like a second cyprus

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u/Pytheastic Aug 03 '20

I see I've found a fellow turtle.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

If that’s what it takes to bring humans to Mars, then yes, let’s give Erdogan ideas

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Only if it gets anti-Erdoğan folks like me out of Turkeyplease

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u/hpstg Aug 03 '20

If it's for building the capital, then Martian Eastern Roman Empire.

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u/Snow_Mexican1 Aug 03 '20

Nah, Neo Byzantine Empire FTW.

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u/cocktercopter Aug 03 '20

You mean the Neo Neo Roman Empire?

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u/Siarzewski Aug 03 '20

5th Rome?

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

We waz intergalactic legionaries

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u/dagzasz Aug 03 '20

Ah. Mars Nostrum.

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u/-hey_hey-heyhey-hey_ Aug 03 '20

Aight name the capital Istanbul lmao

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u/Faunian Aug 03 '20

ou see that crack in the Eastern continent at north west? It is a steep cliff 6000m deep with narrow entry, like bosphor

Istanmars?

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u/surfstyl12 Aug 03 '20

It used to be Marstantinople

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

been a long time gone, marstantinople

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u/thelivingdrew Aug 03 '20

Why did marstantinople get the works?

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u/Taolie Aug 03 '20

That's nobody's business but the Marks.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

That's nobody's business but the Martians.

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u/Balmdogx Aug 03 '20

Let's go with Marstanbul

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u/-hey_hey-heyhey-hey_ Aug 03 '20

marstantinopole? then let marsttomans conquer it and call it marstantiniyye, then a guy comes and creates a new republic called markey, and change its name to marstanbul.

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u/MagnusNewtonBernouli Aug 03 '20

Not Constantinople?

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u/anweisz Aug 03 '20

That’s nobody’s business but the martians

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u/anonymous_matt Aug 03 '20 edited Aug 03 '20

If I'm not completely mistaken about which crack you're talking about (the really big one) that crack is decidedly in the (central) west of the eastern continent. Also I don't think it's actually all that narrow, if you zoom in to human scales so to speak.

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u/anonymous_matt Aug 03 '20 edited Aug 03 '20

The passage in only 25km btw, almost half of hormuz strait. The planet is 1/10th smaller than earth, so it doesnt scale up very much,

Makes sense I guess

Edit: Although while Mars has 1/10th of the Earths mass its surface area is about 30% of earths.

Yes i figured its not in NW later: https://www.maptoglobe.com/rJ_38uSZw

Isn't that a picture of the western continent?

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u/ObscureAlias Aug 03 '20

It's an interactive map. You can zoom and pan the image around.

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u/Barely-Moist Aug 03 '20

It’s Mariner valley. So yeah, fucking huge.

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u/pinkfairyboy_ Aug 03 '20

I personaly like the look of the flat, low lying south western coast on the eastern land. Big gulf too, could be covered in port towns and good place for trade by sea between the two continents

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u/visitredditreviews Aug 03 '20

Gravity is so low on Mars it would be easier to fly everything around

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u/captain-carrot Aug 03 '20 edited Aug 03 '20

Atmosphere is thinner though so not sure if this is true...

Edit you can fly but not easily

Edit 2 bad for winged aircraft, good for airships

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u/John_Keating_ Aug 03 '20

I imagine that the southern ocean would have humongous storms whipping through the Southern Hemisphere unimpeded. I’d prefer a starting point on the eastern shore line of the western continent.

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u/broccoli_culkin Aug 03 '20

First thing I thought was it looks exactly like a continents map in civ6 haha

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u/LouQuacious Aug 03 '20

This would be a fun Map add on to play.

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u/painfool Aug 03 '20

Me too dude. I wonder what Natural Wonders Mars would hold..

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u/Astecheee Aug 03 '20

The giant ass mountain that sticks up into space, probably. It's be an empire of downhill skiers and mountainbikers, but an empire nonetheless.

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u/BanD1t Aug 03 '20

It's gonna be a short-lived empire if you don't get some mountaineers in there.

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u/Astecheee Aug 03 '20

Im thinking once the ski lift is installled we'll be good.

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u/BellerophonM Aug 03 '20

The slope is actually incredibly shallow because it's so damn wide. You'd barely notice it. It's 21km tall but 600km wide.

The base of it is surrounded by a moat a mile deep because of it pressing on the crust, though, that'd be a great border.

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u/ialo00130 Aug 03 '20

That would be one hell of a chairlift, gondola, or T-bar ride.

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u/anusblaster69 Aug 03 '20

Presumably this is all salt water, I think it’s really impossible to know where the best empire location would be until freshwater rivers and lakes have formed, allowing us to establish the best locations for a civilization before an empire

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u/Silverback_6 Aug 03 '20

Choose your continent: fat sideways Japan, or wannabe mega-Ireland.

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u/FreeAndHostile Aug 03 '20

I'm going with fat sideways Japan. Fuck all you mega-Irelanders and your weird customs and whatnot.

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u/MeccIt Aug 03 '20

weird customs

Both the Japanese and Irish have hella good whiskey, got their language from the big country next door (or the alphabet anyway), have a surprisingly good animation industries as well as highly skilled technical industries (pharma, medical devices, etc).

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u/lavalampmaster Aug 03 '20

You could also choose the Arabia 2 subcontinent off of megaireland

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20 edited Aug 03 '20

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

The island south-west is quite neat.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Pretty sure that that is Olympus Mons and it is the tallest volcano in our system. It's so tall that part of it is even outside Mars' atmosphere iirc.

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u/maralaaa Aug 03 '20

No, Olympus Mons is on the right side, the completely filled green circle that forms a peninsula. There are another 3 very large volcanoes just nearby.

https://www.astronomytrek.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/20131025_mars-major-features.jpg (the map in this post is upside down)

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u/dochdaswars Aug 03 '20

the map in this post is upside down
that's what was confusing the hell out of me, thank you. Is there any particular reason to present it this way?

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u/ajab32k Aug 03 '20

Most of Earth's landmass is in the Northern Hemisphere, so this map was flipped to have the two Martian continents more North than South

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u/selectrix Aug 03 '20

Stupid earthlings and their anthropocentrism

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u/jamieliddellthepoet Aug 03 '20

It's so tall that part of it is even outside Mars' atmosphere iirc.

This is incorrect. It doesn't reach the top of the troposphere (the lowest section of the atmosphere).

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20 edited Feb 16 '21

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u/jamieliddellthepoet Aug 03 '20

We do - and it's worth pointing out that if we measured it by, for example, distance between the peak and the centre of the Earth, Everest would not be the highest mountain.

I'm guessing that having oceans as per the map in this post would not change Olympus Mons' status as the highest point on Mars, but would presumably "change its height" if we measured from sea level, as we'd be measuring from a higher base.

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u/Hq3473 Aug 03 '20

Obviously on the circle island in the south west.

Perfectly defensible and easy to go out and colonize from.

It would be the equivalent of the Brittish Empire.

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u/TheWorldIsATrap Aug 03 '20

the western continent, as it is larger and less elevated, or the very easter part of the continent, which is protected by mountains and has the small crack thing like the bosphorus and dardanelles, as mentioned by op

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u/Reset_Assured Aug 03 '20

It also runs east to west so travel to the whole continent is easier.

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u/City26-1999 Aug 03 '20

That circular island in the SW

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Call it new new zealand

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u/MihtoArnkorin Aug 03 '20

If it were truly New Zealand it wouldn't be on on the map at all! r/MapsWithoutNZ

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u/mpa92643 Aug 03 '20

New Australia

The only requirement is that we stock it up with giant man-eating insects and worms to make it a new, deadly experience for even the most experienced Australians.

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u/Franfran2424 Aug 03 '20

The left side of the picture. Low elevation continent, many bays to build ports and control the seas, plus trade with leftmost side (easy to inhabit) of the other continent

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u/Sky-is-here Aug 03 '20

I am playing a game about terraforming Mars and my biggest city with like 25 million people is in the big western island so I am gonna say there.

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u/ILoveWildlife Aug 03 '20

far east atop the mountain.

the bays to the left of the continent will provide the highest quality resources from the ocean.

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u/Vocalite Aug 03 '20

I don't know about you guys but I'm staking my claim on titty island down on the far left

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u/B33rtaster Aug 03 '20

The right continent. Mountains are vital for consistent rains. England, Japan, Italy, France. All have their capitals on flat plains by mountains.

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u/tatas323 Aug 03 '20

Need to make a civ map for this r/civ

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u/LubeCompression Aug 03 '20

I'd start as some kind of gatekeeper at one of those 2 massive canals on the eastern continent.

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u/IAmHippyman Aug 03 '20

I would hide out on Booby Island.

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u/FlamingNinjaCat Aug 03 '20 edited Aug 03 '20 Take My Energy Rocket Like To The Stars

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20 edited Jan 25 '22

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u/FlamingNinjaCat Aug 03 '20

It looks even more Earth-like in 3D, lots of similarities. And np! It's a fun site that I found one day with a bunch of setting to mess around with like placing images or positions and height.

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u/inanimatus_conjurus Aug 03 '20

will be useful in the future.

Found Elon Musk

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u/Rotanikleb Aug 03 '20

I like how if you spin it around the bottom, it's got a little pink butthole.

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u/Free_ Aug 03 '20

I hate that I went back to verify that.

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u/broetry_ Aug 03 '20

Thanks I hate Mars’ pink butthole now

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u/Human_Person_583 Aug 03 '20

I giggled at that too

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u/Asshai Aug 03 '20

Is it pure coincidence that there is a land mass at both poles?

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u/savethebbbees Aug 03 '20

This isn't actually a "real" topographic feature on Mars, my guess is the map this is based on didn't remove the heights of Mars' polar ice caps before "flooding" it. ☺️

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u/TheLonelyBrit Aug 03 '20

Chonky boot.

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u/Moister_Rodgers Aug 03 '20

Looks like Mars has an Antarctica too, plus a regular flavored Arctica!

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u/Augustus420 Aug 03 '20

Thank you so much for this map

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Can someone export this to Civ VI?

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u/bigboiman69 Aug 03 '20

I bet the islands on the top would have an interesting culture if there where people on this mars.

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u/Liliumite Aug 03 '20

It's really confusing how green seems to be high elevation while browns are low elevation. Traditionally its the other way around. Cool concept tho.

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u/WakeoftheStorm Aug 03 '20

I'd like to see this expanded to account for erosion along the coast. It was bugging me that the eastern coast of the Western continent looked unnatural, until I realized it's because erosion would have softened the coastline a bit

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u/thumpas Aug 03 '20

Thing is, the presence of water would likely change the landmasses in huge ways, more than just smoothing out coastlines, so the actual shape of the landmasses would likely look nothing like this.

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u/WakeoftheStorm Aug 03 '20

That's true. I think we could reasonably predict ocean currents and river flow based on planetary rotation and elevation. That would allow some very basic erosion modeling. I believe we could model prevailing winds with the same information and, if we had surface temperature information, could probably take a decent guess at prevailing weather patterns and those affects on landscape. It'd be a shot in the dark, but could be a fun project

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u/JKastnerPhoto Aug 03 '20

I attempted to correct it in Photoshop. It might not be accurate, but looks better.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Its quite irritating too.

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u/noah3302 Aug 03 '20

Quite irrigating indeed

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u/Samtastic33 Aug 03 '20

I think that the brown is for beaches maybe?

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u/lofidiot Aug 03 '20

I think the green is for reptilian people per square kilometer

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u/bee-sting Aug 03 '20

Didn't know Theresa May was into space exploration

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u/polynillium Aug 03 '20

didn't know Zuckie was either

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

How do you think he got to earth?

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u/urionje Aug 03 '20

“Well obviously this blue part here is the land”

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u/carlosspicywiener_ Aug 03 '20

I haven't watched arrested development in years and I still got the reference. That show is hilarious.

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u/Geezso Aug 03 '20

I see its also flat.

Cue Flat Martians

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Call me when the big-titted ones show up

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u/Bigluce Aug 03 '20

Call me when the three-titted ones show up.

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u/PikklzForPeepl Aug 03 '20

Wouldn't they be "Flat Marsers"?

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

I'd call them "Idiots"

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u/Alectron45 Aug 03 '20

I wonder how many generations of martian-born humans would result in earth-deniers

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u/Relixed_ Aug 03 '20

I think three or four at least. Assuming all first generation Martians are all at least twenty year olds, they'd all have died by the time 4/5th generation is around. They would have never met someone who's originally from Earth and would only know it from stories.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Cue earth is fakers

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u/HappyTimeHollis Aug 03 '20

This is upside down, Miss Jane.

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u/wtfact Aug 03 '20

Yeah, i came to say that too.

I remember the mighty Olympus Mons and the three other associate peaks to be on the northwestern side

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

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u/didntfollowproto Aug 03 '20

I recently watched that video, very interesting

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u/recoximani Aug 03 '20

A map can point north or south. It's still correct

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u/epic_pig Aug 03 '20

Mmmmm hurry up...

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u/D0D Aug 03 '20

Civ5 map please :D

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u/zKerekess Aug 03 '20

Good to see people still playing Civ 5. I couldn't come into Civ 6, maybe it's the art style. I'm not sure.

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u/Army88strong Aug 03 '20

There's a mod from a fireaxis developer that makes the art style in 6 look like that of 5

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u/pomodois Aug 03 '20

I still play Civ4 and Alpha Centauri lol.

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u/gregsifaction Aug 03 '20

yea, I cant even tell whats the reason, but somehow I'm just not getting hooked. Maybe it's to much complicity?

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u/YungDanq Aug 03 '20

For me it’s because I can get all the way into the renaissance era, still have no idea what’s going on, and feel like I have made 0 progress. Tile and district management is cool, but it creates a 90 degree learning curve if you moved from civ 5 in my opinion. I have 90 hours in 6 and I don’t know what I’m doing whatsoever…

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

is that little circular island olympus mons?

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20 edited Jan 25 '22

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

So, how high would it be above sea level?

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u/Wobbelblob Aug 03 '20

The mountain itself is 22 km high. So depending on how high the water has to be, I'd imagine it is 20 km or more.

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u/converter-bot Aug 03 '20

22 km is 13.67 miles

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u/Calber4 Aug 03 '20

Mount Everest is 8km above sea level, for reference.

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u/vyrelis Aug 03 '20 edited Aug 04 '20

Someday, someone will be the first person to climb from the base to the peak.

Y'all refuse to have amazement in humanity

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

thats exaggerated right? like the height of the mountains isn't to scale, right?

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20 edited Jan 25 '22

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

aah, makes sense

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u/precordial_thump Aug 03 '20

Yeah, Olympus Mons has an average slope of about 5-7 degrees.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

oh okay, very cool map btw

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u/DelDoesReddit Aug 03 '20

Even cooler, apparently its another albeit smaller volcano named Elysium Mons

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u/ctrl-alton-delete Aug 03 '20

Literally the entire reason I came to the comments was to find this out. Thank you!

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u/ScopeFreak Aug 03 '20

Would be nice to have any scale on it.

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u/cmzraxsn Aug 03 '20

*north-west of the western continent, no idea why you posted a south-up map and refer to all the cardinal directions wrongly

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u/itsamamaluigi Aug 03 '20

Mars is about half the diameter of Earth and has about ¼ the surface area.

Interestingly Mars (without water) has about the same land area as Earth because Earth has so much water.

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u/AnHonestAssholex Aug 03 '20

Other than being upside down this is interesting. If anyone would like a more in depth look at the geography of Mars I’d recommend this video!

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u/Boy_in_France Aug 03 '20

I was so confused trying to spot features I expected to recognise that I knew would be at sea level but which were to the wrong side of Tharsis Montes.

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u/AndTer99 Aug 03 '20

wait that's upside down

The Vallis Marineris and the Tharsis region should be on the left (i.e. West) of the map

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u/heckingcomputernerd Aug 03 '20

I wonder what mars would look like if water was there for however many million years to erode away the roughness

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u/Dusan-Lazar Aug 03 '20

where's the ice ice baby?

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u/iNEEDheplreddit Aug 03 '20

Not enough natural borders. I can only imagine the wars we would fight here

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u/Cold-Consideration23 Aug 03 '20

That’s similar to Game of Thrones map

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u/flipnonymous Aug 03 '20

Best suggestion is to read The Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson.

Fantastic read about the struggles of settling and colonizing Mars, and as the books progress there are different societies set up around the planet and describes some of the pros and cons of each location.

Additionally, the geographical features and landscape are described in amazing detail and accuracy from what we currently know of the Martian terrain.

My money would be somewhere near Olympus Mons, likely in the Valles Marineris for additional protection from solar radiation.

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u/doegred Aug 03 '20

Sax approves of this map. Ann disapproves.

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u/Chaudcacao_be Aug 03 '20

I suppose we should also take into account the erosion provoked by seas over years. So that the edges of the continents should look smoother.

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u/ms4 Aug 03 '20

Well if it had an atmosphere those craters wouldn’t be there.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_LPT Aug 03 '20

This looks like the game of thrones map, except Essos is on the left and Westeros on the right.

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u/Lunaluna04 Aug 03 '20

Hey I saw this formation in the mobile game Terragenesis when I flooded my planet with water, drowning 2.5 million inhabitants!

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u/thee_chompermonster Aug 03 '20

I was gonna say, this is essentially Terragenesis.

It's a decent game but I always fall out of interest with it.

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u/FireHazard11 Aug 03 '20

It just takes too damn long for any changes to happen. I understand that its realistic, but it doesn't make for compelling gameplay.

Also I might just be salty that I accidentally made the Moon's atmosphere denser than Venus's by forgetting about the game for 3 days with atmosphere production maxed.

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u/MC_John-117 Aug 03 '20

How did they decide which area goes underwater? Elevation?

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u/MRDJHARRYBOY Aug 03 '20

I assume so

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u/herotz33 Aug 03 '20

Kinda looks like a knock-off Earth

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u/Dungus_blorgus Aug 03 '20

It reminds me of Strangereal from Ace Combat a little bit.

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u/sjtimmer7 Aug 03 '20

It reminds me of the original map for Game of Thrones. Two big continents, only Westeros was more north to south, not a V form.

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u/kklorgiax Aug 03 '20

This is fascinating

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u/Jayewastaken Aug 03 '20

I need a r/civ map of this

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u/wapitihirsch Aug 03 '20

I just got the same feeling as starting in a new city in animal crossing

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u/lcadilson Aug 03 '20

In the left of the map there are the Martian Australia and New Zealand. There will be barbies on Mars, mate.

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u/Cnoggi Aug 03 '20

Oh Boi, here I go making a new Dnd campaign setting again.

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u/gregsifaction Aug 03 '20

Someone make a Civ map out of this please

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u/DictatorShadow Aug 03 '20

We got sideways Australia and big Italy.

That's Mars

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u/GameDude_Redd_YT Aug 03 '20

What would be cool is to draw what the nations of mars would look like!

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u/MingoFuzz Aug 03 '20

That would depend on who can colonize first, and their relations with the natives.

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u/carlosequeso Aug 03 '20

Oh man. So many epic navy battles between those two nations!!!!!!!

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u/icyfive Aug 03 '20

People jumping from ship to ship as gravity is 0.4

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u/dontbuyanylogos Aug 03 '20

I think Mars' fertile crescent would be in that large peninsula on the west side of the eastern continent. Whoever controls that peninsula would control the planet...

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u/CountHonorius Aug 03 '20

Deja Thoris still doesn't need a swimsuit.

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u/thatrommelswag Aug 03 '20

This looks remarkably like TerraGenesis. Like 87% sure it is. Actually a pretty fun waste of time since its basically just mapporn the game

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u/IIMrFirefox Aug 03 '20

Reminds me of terragenesis

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u/Lost_in_math Aug 03 '20

I'm guessing it would actually be smoother along the coasts due to waves eating up the jagged pieces over time?

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u/Theandercm Aug 03 '20

Aaaaaaand, now I have a new map for my D and D campaign.